In the spirit of this political debate season we bring you the first annual Church Sign Debate. We have 5 questions we’ll be asking the Presbyterian and Catholic church, let’s get started. If you want to keep up on other news like this, subscribe to the RSS feed.
1. Do dogs goto heaven?
2. Does God love dogs?
3. Do Catholic dogs have the inside track to heaven?
4. Good point, do dogs have souls?
5. No rocks in heaven? What will we walk on?
Phew…I’m glad we got that all settled.
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Are you serious? This is for real? Wow. Talk about not having a clue about what the church is. This is yet another reason why I believe that churches shouldn’t be allowed to have marquee signs
That’s Hilarious. (Ryan, the answer is NO, it is NOT real).
+23 points for clever usage of church sign generators.
This is awesome!!! That is the best use of a church sign I’ve ever seen. I wish this would happen in real life. I would ride by 10 times a day to see the next response. Nice job.
Ryan: I don’t know but probably not.
Emery: I know I love the debate by proxy, the sign begins to take a life of it’s own.
lol this is just strange on so many levels.
LOL this is awesome!
too bad it’s fake haha love those church sign generators.
The pictures are faked. Notice the background – leaves, grass, cars. Nothing changes – not even the angle of the camera. Since they are faked, I feel like the jokes could have been a bit funnier. However, I certainly did laugh.
This is amazing. Are these churches across from one another or what?
Hi – I loved the joke and sent it on to the clergy in my Church
I love this. It is funny as can be. You showed initiative in your humor.
YAAAAY CATHOLICS
Haha you know, if I *HAD* to choose a side. Based solely on this. Heaven wouldn’t be heaven without dogs. What to Presbyterians know?
Hey, this can’t be real… and besides, the cars never change in the background of the Catholic sign (unless these signs were all changed over the space of a few minutes.)
BTW – no dogs in heaven. I’ve heard enough of their barking here on earth…
Didn’t think it was real, because if those two churches were that petty I’d hate to think of how their members acted outside of church. Funny nonetheless.
Anything capable of love and hate has a soul.
Fake, but funny.
BATTLE ROYALE!!!
Of course it’s fake. . .its a joke. . .clever too! I cannot believe that anyone actually looks at this and thinks it was real. . .I thought people were smarter than dogs. . .its a good thing it’s whats in your heart and not in your head that gets you to heaven. . .
Genious!
A wonderful outside view of how pointless the arguments can get between denominations. One day they might all get the fact that we are all partakers of the same bread.
BX
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If you notice the vertical lines on Beulah’s sign, they’re the dividers between the spaces into which you insert the letters, I’m pretty sure. And the letters don’t line up with them.
Check designs #1 and #11 at:
http://www.churchsigngenerator.com/
But it IS hilarious.
FAKE!
Dugg for its imitation of ‘real’ theological debates–meaningless and pointless, but people have to have them anyway!
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OMFG. I just snorted water out my nose! Real, or not, it’s still hilarious.
jenny – does the F stand for “Faithful”?
Dogs don’t have souls, I go to a Catholic high school, however if you need your dog to be happy then your dog is in heaven. Anywho this is freaking hilarious.
Seems to me like there’s a bit of rivalry going on between these churches…
Funny stuff!
its obvious these are photoshopped. but it makes a funny point because this is really similar to how these two sects think.
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Yeah, but do the dogs go there of their own free will, or were they predestined for heaven? There’s the rub.
This is a hoot. Thanks!
They are both wrong – Only good dogs go to heaven – pit bulls burn in hell !!
This is fake, guys. Take a closer look at the lining up of the letters. Sorry.
Very fake, very funny. BTW, Catholics don’t believe that animals have souls, or that they go to heaven.
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when i clicked on this link from my blog, a petco banner came up with a cute picture of a dog. hope he’s catholic, unless he’s been a bad dog.
check it out, the generator used: http://www.churchsigngenerator.com
Very funny though.
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I think the fact that some commenters think this is real is even funnier than the images themselves ^_^
Folks, this is a fake. Beulah Cumberland Presbyterian Church is in Hartford, KY and I just talked to a member there. Their church is white and has no such sign. There is no Our Lady of the Martyrs Catholic Church near there. As for the supposed “theological debate”, it’s nonsense. Neither denomination would waste their time debating this. This matters to me because I am a Cumberland Presbyterian pastor and the impression this gives feeds the anti-church sentiment many people (rightfully) have. Good for a laugh, but completely fake.
Nitynite: Yes it’s fake, it was created using churchsigngenerator.com , which has been commented several times. This is just for a laugh, nothing else.
Thanks for sharing this. Very funny.
And my response for my marquee would be…
“Jesus is the Rock of Salvation. There is no need for other rocks in Heaven.”
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Let’s put a stop to he debate…..it’s simple
dog spelled backwards is GOD ……. so there they do go to heaven
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Can catholic dogs get spayed?
The Catholic vs presbyterian thread was most likely photo shopped. The same 2 cars are in the same spot in the parking lot behind. Also check out the shadows. Even if this was done all in the same day, the shadows would vary and they don’t.
This is too funny. I just preached on “Do Dogs Go to Heaven?” yesterday. Then I blessed the animals. If you’re interested, you can go on the following website and hear the sermon and see some of the pictures taken.
http://www.hwy246.net/users/bethania/
Give my secretary a few days to get them posted. Thanks
Being catholic I must say you have the signs wrong, but if Presbyterian’s believe what their signs say then we are closer then we think.
Someone thought this was cute, but what they put on the Catholic Sign is not Church teaching, it never was and never will be. Dogs have no souls. We have enough things happening everyday that are funny and true, use them to enlighten and brighten people day. To check my facts go to catholicanswers.com and see for yourself, or ask any questions you like.
B
Bernadette…If you believe that, I feel sorry for you and you fellow Catholics. I know there will be dogs in Heaven for those who want them to be there. Otherwise, how could we call it Heaven?
Pictures of Beulah Cumberland Presbyterian Church:
http://www.sheltom.com/denominations/PRBEULAH.HTML
http://www.flickr.com/photos/swelldesigner/443092497/
Only one church by that name found. No brick walls in these pictures.
Perhaps “There’s no such thing as bad publicity” will work out well for the folks at Beulah Cumberland Presbyterian Church.
I love this! I wish the Presbies had a bit more fun or spunk, but they’ll figure it out when we all get there. Oh, and even though I’m not a Catholic – I do believe all dogs go to Heaven…no one will convince me otherwise. Why should anyone think humans are more worthy of God’s love? The Bible tells us we will ride on horses in battle with Christ – dogs are there!
I am confident dogs go to heaven-D-O-G —- G-O-D
It’s not brain science!!!
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Just so everybody knows, this was a joke. These churches didn’t participate. And on top of that, the photograph is too easily shown to be poorly manipulated. This person did a bad job. The weather, cars, trees, perspective, and the terrible use of fonts artifacting on the signs are easily the same and noticeable.
Besides, even though dogs do not have souls, both churches would not argue over such lame issues. Only those who have emotional/social ties to animals are concerned about this issue, and will get offended if someone says their dog doesn’t go to heaven. I’ve had dogs all my life. I understand if they aren’t in Heaven, but I’m not sad about it. Dogs are good either way.
Some of u people r IDIOTS, Dogs know LOVE more then a lot of people, their LOVE is unconditional & forever!! U DOPES who thinks Dogs don’t have Souls they have a better Soul then any of u, a Dog will only bite his enemy (unlike people), all Dogs do go to Heaven, where all humans don’t. God knows who’ll be Faithful (GOD-DOG). It doesn’t matter if these signs r a joke or not, the true meaning is that a Dog’s Love is not, they r going to Heaven & they’ll meet us there with wagging tail, kisses & lots & lots of Love!!! I feel sorry for u people who do not know true Love, u need a Dog to show u!! And for Pitt Bulls they will also be in Heaven, it’s the owners who will not. For all u Mike Vicks – Burn In Hell!!!!
Almost as much as the joke, I love the responses that so earnestly/school-marmishly/etc. (and with laborious “proof”) flag this as fake – e.g. “Just so everybody knows, this was a joke….This person did a bad job.” You mean the online sign generator that’s meant purely for fun? Yeesh. That said, I also love the earnest comments that of course dogs (G-O-D spelled backwards) go to heaven. I agree. Just for one, a lot of them are more deserving of heaven than certain humans.
Oh, I feel silly… until I hit this page I thought they were real! But only because I have known real churches and real church people to seriously engage in debates just as silly. It never occurred to me that they might be faked.
Me? I hope to see of my dogs are in heaven. I still miss them here!
Uh, could some of you people lighten up? This was a funny joke, not an excuse for bible thumpers of any denomination to preach to the rest of us about dogs having souls vs. not having souls. I’m a Catholic and I’m not even sure if I have a soul! I know a lot of nasty people that I will swear don’t. (I’m sorry…I am swearing…is that OK?)
Oh people lighten up, this is a hoot and too bad it isn’t really dualing signs between the churches. I’d go back to being catholic if I could go to Our Lady of Martyrs.
I stepped away from all forms religion and its narrow view on life and it’s stupifying beliefs.
If there’s a god, I can’t imagine him lacking a sense of humor, he allegedly created man didn’t he?
Genesis 1:28- Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
(God places man above other living creatures.)
Genesis 1:29- And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.”
(Man is given plants to eat.)
Genesis 9:3- Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs.
(At this point, God has established man’s dominion over other living creatures (Gen 1:28). He has established vegetation to be food for man (Gen 1:29). In Genesis 9:3, God gives man animals to eat “even as the green herbs.” So, according to God’s Word, animals are equal to plants. Humans are placed above them.)
Do all plants go to Heaven?
Yes yes yes YESSSS! Dogs and everything else that can feel pain love and hate do have souls. And you are ignorant and childish to think otherwise! How are you people to decide what has souls or not? I think you should check your own soul before you start saying what your ignorance seems as right. funny signs but i bet you just pissed that church off!
cath guy you are wrong, for generations upon generations the catholics and episcopalians have celebrated All Hallows Eve (on halloween) The blessing of the animals, people bring everything from hamsters, dogs and cats, lizards and donkeys and horses. Its a wonderful and bizarre celebration with all these people bringing their animals lined up thru the church and the father blesses them one by one so their souls will go to heaven. I’m episcopalian, which is direct line from catholics, and I went to catholic school, and had everyone of my animals blessed even my horse, majiik. Alot of catholics and episcopalians don’t celebrate it, most probably because they are either ignorant of it or just don’t care to do for the trouble of it. But it is in the Catholic prayer book for priests.
Mike B………just because we have domain over animals, does not mean they don’t go to heaven. If you’ve ever really known an animal, obviously you never had, you would know, that they do have souls, they do think, they do feel, you just treat them like you think they are, something you have powet over. That kinda makes you a control freak, one that will never really love, only have domain over another.
Okay you people have got to get a grip on reality the comment “dogs are animals” what idiot forgot that humans are 1 of millions of types of animals. Now I know religious folk in Christianity don’t like to admit that we are animals just like the dog at our feet but guess what we are just as much an animal as fido and spot. Let’s take a brief trip through humanity shall we, if we were to look at early man prior to modern man so lets say7,000 to 10,000 years ago when we were hunter gatherer cave men and women you know “unga bung,” inventers of the wheel, Geico’s so easy a cave man can do it…if we were to observe early man from even the encino period we would call him an animal based off of appearance, smell, and it’s interaction with the world surrounding it. All we have done is refined our hygeine (most of us) and increased what little knowledge we have oh and created marvelous flights of fantasy to help us sleep at night. Ask yourselves this other than some cruel inhumane intent why would your God create dog’s and cat’s for our time on earth but not in the after life, I am yet to meet anyone who can tell me with the utmost honesty and intellect to know what a soul is and if they themselves have one. The act of saying I have a soul because I’m human is not enough to prove that you have one and dog don’t and don’t anyone dare say it’s because we can communicate or we can think or problem solve. Remember your dog whining to go outside or barking at the door because someones there that’s him talking to, ever leave cat food out of reach on accident on a counter top, now there’s a problem because you most likely feed your cat on the floor well little kitty kitty isn’t going to wait for your to resolve the issue cat’s going to solve the problem jump on the counter and feast. All living things both plant and animal communicate and all creatures great and small have intelligence, let’s just think factually for a moment we know we are not the first to climb to the top off the animal kingdom the animal you claim to be soulless once ruled this world and we as humans were the more pathetic dumber but still intelligent life on earth. Let us not assume that we are kings and queens over all life on earth but rather be humbled at the fact that out of the great creatures of our past from dinosaur to mega-mammels that we are the current predominant top of the food chain, so long as we stay in our habitat, out in the wild we give up that throne. Please don’t mistake me as a non believer trust me I know the lord god though christianity is no longer my faith nor did i become catholic so my dogs can go to heaven. Enlighten and think for yourselves, your faith is determined by what you personally believe not everything the preacher says is law or full truth that’s why the bible has been re-written by man to fit personalized views like the the King James bible and why there is one Christian God but hundreds of Christian faiths, the christian weakness is the division in denomination.
If you want to get Biblical, and I gues that’s what its all about, turn in you Bibles to Ecclesiastes something….the part about “there is a time for every purpose under heaven, a time to be born, a time to die” right after that passage it pretty clearly claims that for man to think himself over the animals is vanity for the breath of God that gives one life gives all life and whether the souls of man ascends into heaven and the souls of animals (including dogs) descends intothe earth is not known. It says clearly animals have souls, just not clearly where they go when they die. sort of the same with us.
Hell, for that matter I’ve run across a few people in my life that made me wonder if they had souls and a whole bunch of dogs I just knew had souls.
Kathy…It’s interesting that you call me a power hungry control freak that will never really love, who also, by the way, has never really known an animal. I wasn’t aware we had met.
I could deduce a lot of things about you from your three sentences, but I don’t know anything about you, so I won’t do it.
You guys got spoofed. This was an add from a signage company showing off their wares!!! Don’t believe everything you read!!!
Hee, hee, hee, it’ s so silly it’s funny, it’s not believeable because, if it was really a battle joined, at least the catholics would be using tautologicals in their arguments, I don’t know, but assume that Presbyterians would have similar and effective linguistic defenses. None of which is seen here.
What is seen here, however, is the tell tale fact, that the shadows in the pictures never vary in strength or position. As with anything in real life, this proves little, but consider the two possibilities that could have accounted for this effect:
1. Someone copied these pictures several times and simply added new lettering to each one, then posted the collection!
—OR—
2, Each church had someone go outside each day with the proper letters for the answering sign and changed them. Then the photographer waited for the exact same shadow pattern = Time of day, and the exact same strength of sunlight = cloudlessness.
If either of these conditions failed coincide, the photographer had to wait to try to take the picture on another day. Nor could the answering church change their sign, until the photograph was snapped. Since this would logically only happen over a number of days, very strict cooperation between, at least, the two churches and the photographer, if not between the churches themselves, to achieve this final result.
I think we can apply Occams Razor here, and cut out!
This made me happy. (The Presbyterians have something sour up their wazoo.)
WE KNOW its a freaking joke!, stop pointing it out! its the debate that has us going, not the actuality of the sign, its authinticity or not. We are debating a topic pure and simple, so please stop pointing out that we are funny because its a joke, its the simplicity of point counter point that has found ground here.
btw, All Hallows Eve, is called All Saints Day, the blessing of the animals is thru/for st. francis, saint of all animals, look it up in your epistle.
Hey, Josh the Realist – for chrissake boy, take a deep breath and lighten up (or enlighten up) before you have a stroke or a shit hemmorage! OK, still funny even though it’s not real but will some kind young person tell me, a member of the Old Fart generation, what is a “SIGN GENERATOR” and what is it typically used for, other than great jokes? Thanks. Take another breath, JOsh – that’s it – good boy.
http://www.churchsigngenerator.com/sign01.php
Kathy – for the record – All Hallow’s Eve – aka Hallowe’en – is not the same thing as All Saints’ Day – which falls on Nov 1st. Also – if you subscribe to St. Francis for the blessing of the animals – that’s October 4th not Hallowe’en either. If you follow St. Anthony’s tradition it happens in January.
At any rate – call it waht you will – but please not “debate.” Whe we have comments like Kathleen’s about “Presbyterians having something sour up their wazoos” that fits your “simple” word – but debate it isn’t.
Unfortunately – many people fell for the “sign” and comments like that do nothing to foster good will in our world. So please get off your intellectual high-horse and just admit it – you don’t have a proverbial hot clue what you’re going on about – you just like to see your name in print.
P.S. I’m not Presbyterian
Wow, think what you want, but don’t call it biblical or scientific. God’s creation is good; we should enjoy it and look forward to what He has planned for us in heaven.
HAHAHAHA that is so HILARIOUS. Dogs so go to heaven. HELLO!!!!! Balaam and the donkey God used the donkey to speak with Balaam. if God uses themhe saves them. they have never sinned and do only what God has made them to do. I am not Catholic or Presby (i’m Assemblies of God) but i agree with the Catholic Church. As for the last sign uhh gold=rock duhhhh! streets are paved with GOLD. So presby peeps you can go read your Bible again and stop criticizing them. to Catholics: great snarkyness keep up the bolness
“All Dogs Go To Heaven” is a Movie. As I understand it, the sign was posted for the Youth Group of that church.
The Presbyterians retorted with “Only Humans Go to Heaven Read The Bible” and the discussion went on from there. It got to be really funny but from what I have been told it really happened until the Priest caught sight of it and called a halt!
And Francesca – you heard this WHERE??? Are there any other urban myths you’d like to share??? Check out the comments above as well as the actual site. Church sign generators / sales companies must be having a real chuckle over this one but they say there’s one born every minute!
Poor neglected rocks…
The obvious retort to there are no rocks in heaven has to be,
“Thou art Peter and upon this ROCK I shall build my Church…’
(Unless there are no Popes in heaven…which George Bernard Shaw would suggest….)
Heaven does not exit – Man wrote Bibble.
I think there are more people who are worried about dogs going to heaven then there are about people. LOL. It is sad that more people comment on this crazy novelty blog then any other. We should start doing doggy evangelism and start doggy church so that we can reach all the dogs of the world.
Molly J. – you’re absolutely right – man wrote Bibble – and continues to babble – and I thank heaven that God forgives us – not only in our unbelief – but also in our foolish humanity!!!
And by the way – thank you for pointing out that heaven does not exit – you’re right on that one as well.
Boy, girl – - – you really get it – don’t you!!!
Funny bit very whacked out.
Wow…and now as a theologian I find my laughing has turned to near despair at how much unorthodoxy is out there. The orthodox Christian position is that animals, though good, emotional, courageous, etc., do not posses spirit-soul component that humanity does. YET, they might be included in the new earth the Bible speaks of, yet the new heaven and earth descriptions include such sparse detail, anything said for sure would be conjecture.
Of course, if you don’t take the Bible as an authoritative source, the argument is moot.
Fake or not, this “dialog” is hilarious.
The harsh reality is that religious hostility of this sort is completely credible. And also — as illustrated so eloquently here — ludicrous.
So beware! Maybe you are willing to be considered a fool because you exercise humble faith. But take care you are not considered a fool because of ridiculously misplaced pride!
I can’t stop laughing on this XD!
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First of all, Josh the realist is about as unreal as one can get. Second, whoever posted the signs know nothing about the bible. because every living thing that breaths, including fish have a soul. Just by reading Genesis the 1st chapter you can learn that. Then try reading Revelations and you will find out that no one goes to heaven because Christ will reign on earth 1000 years and the saints will reign with Him. The joke was funny, it just showed the lack of spiritual knowledge of whoever did it. Next time, maybe if they would study their bible a bit, they could come up with something a bit more believable.
Molly J. were you born Dec 5th 2008 at 11:23 am?
Good golly Hsoj – you surely must be related to Miss Molly given the language preferences!!!
“- – - whoever posted the signs know(s) nothing about the (B)bible. because every living thing that breath(e)s, including fish(,) have a soul. Just by reading Genesis the 1st chapter you can learn that. Then try reading Revelations (a common misnomer among those not truly familiar with the Bible – it is actually Revelation – The Book of Revelation to be exact) and you will find out that no one goes to heaven because Christ will reign on earth 1000 years and the saints will reign with Him. (For those not truly familiar with the Bible a common belief – however I would invite you Hsoj to dig a little deeper – could it be that’s not really what it says but just the way you’ve chosen to interpret it – maybe because of a lack of spiritual knowledge!?!?! Perhaps if you would study your Bible a bit you could come up with something a little more accurate!?!?!)
The joke was funny, it just showed the lack of spiritual knowledge of whoever did it. Next time, maybe if they would study their (B)bible a bit, they could come up with something a bit more believable.
Good plan Hsoj!!!!
Oops Hsoj – so sorry – I forgot one – - –
“every living thing that breath(e)s (has) have a soul”.
Sure wish your command of the English language was as good as your understanding of the Bible – - – or maybe it is!!!
don’t all dogs go to heaven? lol….no really animals don’t have a soul. so sorry pet lovers
I dont Catholics or dogs go to heaven, the bible tells us those born of ‘water and spirit’ do (John 3:5)….amd i’ve never seen a dog baptised yet!
OK those who don’t believe they do…I don’t see the reason why they wouldn’t. The way I see it is that Cats and Dogs are incapable of sin unlike us humans. We don’t know for sure if they have souls or not but that would not matter because nothing is impossible to God! I lost my Siberian Husky about two years ago and I believe 100% that she will be there in heaven with my two cats to greet me.
The Bible is very clear that there will be animals in heaven:
Isa 65:25 5 The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, but dust will be the serpent’s food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain,” says the LORD. NIV
If we can establish that the Bible is quite specific when it mentions animals being in heaven, it is perfectly safe to assume that means all animals (dogs included).
Also worth your consideration is what heaven is described as within the Bible and what it means to be accepted to Heaven.
Heaven is described as perfection, a place where no sadness or misery exists. A place where communication barriers are broken down and illness or pain do not trouble any of the souls who have gone to heaven.
As dog owners and dog lovers, do we need to look any further than this description to understand that heaven without dogs would cause us misery, sadness or suffering?
If our dog died at an old age with the aches and pains of a time ravaged body, in heaven this can’t be so. We would not worry about pain either in ourselves or in our dogs. With communication barriers down, we can even talk to our dogs without animal/human translation problems.
If heaven is perfection, rest assured that dogs will be there and that you will meet your dog and share a relationship with them which is even more perfect than the precious, if painfully short time you spent with them in life. Do dogs go to heaven? Of course they do!
I just wanted to comment that religous beliefs are based on a leap of faith and are not factual, so anyone who even debates such an issue as factual is truly an idiot.
I am inclined to BELIEVE that all animal life forms, including humans, have souls, for I have encountered several after death.
One of those denominations believes that only they — the predestined– go to heaven. They seem not to like dogs too.
Gen 9:5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too. I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man.
God had Noah take two of all the animals that would fit in the Ark with him. Except the Dinosaurs, if you believe the Noah tale. So if they were so important enough that Noah take them on the ark, including snakes, then I conclude that God wants them in his heavenly kingdom as well, including all snakes, serpents, eels and other sea creatures including the mammals of the sea. Those streets might be paved with gold, but they’ve got one heck of an aquarium up there too if you believe in pie in the sky.
Come to think of it, we’ve got a pretty good representation of heaven right here on earth if we don’t destroy it and if everybody goes to heaven.
I figure we’re in heaven here and now since the living God said that “the Kingdom of Heaven lies within you”. That tells me you better make a go of heaven right now because it’s here right now in you and there aren’t any second chances.
I do suspect God’s mighty darn mad at us for extincting all those animals he made Noah save. That Ark was pretty darn crowded and to go to all that trouble and only have the industrialists and capitalists and other neer do wells destroying the great creation right here is a sin alright. It’s worse than killing a mockingbird.
DOGS DON’T HAVE A SOUL?! And it’s not open for debate?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! It’s open for debate now baby…and you opened it…by writing that mindless comment!! Whoever wrote that, obviously doesn’t have a dog, and he’s(or she) never met my dog. My dog had more soul than any human I’ve ever met. Also, animals NEVER sin, so why wouldn’t God want animals in Heaven…he never has to forgive them for anything. That’s more than we can say for Humans.
And I can say with much confidence, she is now in Heaven…God told me so!!
First off, it’s a joke, plain and simple. Secondly, I am more than willing to bet, if you ask God which creation he was more pleased with it sure wouldn’t be humans. And finally, If you knew my dog you’d understand what, “soul” means. If dogs don’t, then I don’t want to.
How can you say that God would not have dogs in heaven, it says that all of Gods creations who live by his commands, by his law , by his love and as my friend pointrd out animals of any kind do not sin agiants him, why could God create animals and not expect them to be with him when the end of days come , i really and truelly think that who ever wrote that sign needs to open their eyes to the word of the Lord our one true God who loves all , takes care of all even those who dont know what their talking about..
I love it, I want to say “High-Five” to the Catholic Church. I love their sense of humor. In today’s high stressful life-style, this is light hearted humor, We need that, and I am sure God and his creations has a big sense of humor. Look around at all He created, Some of which we find funny to look at. He also has given us laughter, Laughter is good medicine. He also gave the Catholic Priest a sense of humor, for he used it. And as to God’s Creatures to to Heaven…..
“COME ON FOLKS AND PRESBYTERIANS…
“NOAH’S ARK” GOD ASK NOAH TO TAKE TWO OF EACH GENDER…WAY MORE OF HIS CREATURES THAN HUMANS WERE SAVED IN THE FLOOD. So I find it quite clear from God’s Actions, “All of God’s Creatures Go To Heaven” Never thought of that did you Presbyterians?
Sharon – Sharon – Sharon!!!
Are you that foolish to believe that these are real comments by real denominations??? This is a GAG!!! A church sign generator!!! It wasn’t the Catholics nor the Presbyterians who started this nonsense – but some “entrepreneur”!!!
However – if you ARE going to go all Biblical – please remember the comment “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”. I highly doubt you qualify for the privilege so maybe quit heaving them at the Presbyterians – one might come back and clunk you a good one!! And no – I’m not Presbyterian – just someone who cannot abide the kind of silliness you have displayed. Misinformed comments such as yours contribute to intolerance of many kinds – not just of a religious nature. Follow it through – “For what will it profit them to gain the whole world and forfeit their life/soul???” Heaven and its components will always be up for discussion until the time comes – but please let’s not make earth any more of a hell than it already is!!!
For Shame Susan, No one cast stones. Weather a gag or not, it was light hearted and humorous. You are a very unhappy angry person who is in need of a lot of love. And as to a clunk, how Godly that person would be to clunk me for an opinion. Or is it you who wants to do the clunking? Is that your answer for something you don’t agree with, is VIOLENCE. Is this how you handle situations of people that oppose you in your life, give someone a good CLUNK. It is after all what you said.
So you find our Earth God created Hell, Like I said, you are a very unhappy angry person that you find Hell within your space. I am sorry you can’t find happiness in life, even of such signs. But I don’t think you find happiness in much of anything. I hope you do find happiness and are able to enjoy things in your life. Would be a shame to waste on CLUNK. Good life to you Susan
Your response to my comment is so highly misplaced that I feel you need help.
ok if anyone has read the bible you would know that Gods number 1 comandment, is love your neighbour as you would want them to love you why is everyone arguing over something that is answered in the bible, instead of fighting back and forth we should be loving each other this is the work of satan trying to seperate us all from what really matters, ask yourself what would Jesus do in this situation?as a child of Christ what or how would he wont me to respond to these comments ? what is the big deal if dogs go to heaven ( havent you all seen the movie all dogs go to heaven)?how can anyone say that dogs dont have souls? they are the most loyal and obidient creation that God created, they follow Gods #1 command they love their master no matter what they are put through , you can beat them and when you go to them for forgiveness they forgive you , they love you not matter what i actually think that we all could learn something from a dog and as for the person or people that disagree that dogs dont have souls or that they wont go to heaven i have 1 question for you do you have a soul or a heart? by the sounds of it i already know the answer to that question and i will be praying for you and your church God bless those who love animals
Hey just catching up on my reading. Sure dogs can go to heaven so can anyone or anything else. But Sharon I think you’re off the mark. Not really humourous just the latest poke among many unfortunately. Besides I thought the rock was going to give you the clunk not some poor misbegotten soul *** kinda like coming back to bite you in the butt*** almost like dogs have been known to do from time to time! Got to admit though if it was a gag it wasn’t God who gave the priest a sense of humour and it wasn’t God who didn’t give one to the presbyterians so why do you lay it on them? If people stopped using the different churches like these guys did we probably wouldn’t have the problems we do in the world. And then we could all take time to enjoy our pets while we have them and maybe even see them in another time and space.
Grow up and quit asking your friends to fight your battle. Shame on you all. God Bless I can’t believe my comment has caused you and your friends such anger. You all need to grow up and find something to make you happy. I won’t be back to write as I find you and your comments shameful.
Anyone who says dogs can’t go to heaven clearly haven’t read the bible. God loves all his creatures through everything, God created everything and everyone, thats why everyone is different, for God to have different reasons to love them just because of who they are. God created dogs for them to be a bestfriend to all mankind, Dogs are angels put into a canine’s body, they are the only true animal that will listen to you, feel your pain, and comfort you. Everyone has differnt opinions on everything but thats my theory and I’m only an 11 year old girl.
For shame Sharon. Seeing as there are two comments following your “rebuttal” I can only imagine you are referring to me. Sorry – I don’t know Melissa or Patricia but seems like they’ve both got their heads screwed on properly – each in their own way. But again you’ve made assumptions as you did with regard to my first letter. Glad to know you’re so deeply concerned about my poor – tortured soul. And yes – hell is on earth – just as heaven is here among us – but not when we ridicule denominations – especially when it’s done “FOR PROFIT” as is the case with these signs and the COMPANY who made them up!!!
I work in a field where daily I feed – clothe and comfort victims. Victims of prejudice – racism – discrimination – abuse of mental – sexual and physical sorts – and – and -and. Cavalier comments such as “Never thought of that did you Presbyterians” – and the other one that’s so endearing about Presbyterians “having something sour up their wazoos” do nothing to foster good relationships. What the world needs now IS love not people who use urban myths – which is what these signs have become – to depreciate or poke at others. Melissa – you’re right – Satan must be getting a good laugh and just think – all because of “humourous lighthearted people” who in their own way perpetuate not only fallacy and myths but ill-will based on religious beliefs.
Hey if you want to debate whether dogs / animals go to heaven – go for it. But if you can’t do it without dragging in the “supposed” creators of these signs – leave it alone. Again – the sign was not generated by either denomination so leave them out of it and debate on the merits of the Bible and your own understanding and beliefs. And if you aren’t capable of using your own intellect – then just let it go. Or is it that it just feels good to be able to tell all your friends how lighthearted – humourous and fun-loving you are??? To adapt your quote – “never thought of that did you Sharon.”
P.S. You won’t be back??? I don’t believe it – your curiosity has been piqued – and you want to know what’s coming next!!! But if you want to take your ball and go home – go for it – have fun and a nice life too But be careful – your not nice side is showing. I think maybe deep down you are a very unhappy angry person – but then maybe it’s because my comments are so misplaced that I need help!!!!! Can you see how firmly my tongue is planted in my cheek!!! I hope so!!!
Well this definitely proves one thing. There is only one answer. Everything on the earth is created by God, be it dogs, rocks, etc. It also shows proof that the Catholic Church is the oldest, and wisest I might add. We had the answer before any other churches were even thought of. Praise be to Mother Mary!!!!
LOLOLOLOLOL…… OF COURSE THIS IS REAL……WHY WOULD IT BE FAKE???? Shake your heads a bit and wake up.
There are some people who think that God has a special relationship with dogs. Here is a website expressing that sentiment.
http://divinecanine.org/
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I CAN SETTLE THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL:
JESUS IS COMING BACK ON A HORSE (READ REVELATION).
SOOOOO THERE MUST BE ANIMALS IN HEAVEN!
YIPPEEEE.
MY JACK RUSSELLS WILL BE SO THRILLED.
It’s a fake, from a website that generates church signs.
BUT, it has a history. During the 12 century, a catholic bishop was asked whether any animal would merit heaven. He replied, “Only dogs go to heaven”, and gave his reasons.
1. Only dogs deny themselves killing.
2. Only dogs show a loyalty to family and kin.
3. Only dogs will die and sacrifice for others.
4. Only dogs show guilt when doing something wrong.
5. Only dogs can show joy when they love, or are loved.
These things are the nub of a soul and concience.
Few people can measure up to such nobility.
This was absolutely the funniest and the cutest thing. I, too wish it were real cause I would make it a point to check out the signs each day! Very good use of my time. Humor is good for the soul.
The Presbyterians are clueless. TELL THEM TO READ THEIR BIBLES!
The Biblical Evidence
In Genesis 2, when God breathes life into Adam, the Bible says God made him “a living soul (nephesh).” In Hebrew this phrase is used also for the animals God creates in Gen. 2:19, but the translators rendered it into English differently, apparently because they assumed that animals didn’t have souls (ironically, the word “soul” in Latin is anima, from which the word “animal” comes.) History shows that at some periods in the Church, there were also controversies about whether women had souls. It is better often to look at the Word than to the same Bible with our theological filters causing tunnel vision.
In the Book of Genesis, there is a story about a great flood that destroyed all the creatures on earth, including most of the humans, because they had been affected by the violence of Cain and Abel after the Fall. Some of the animals were preserved on the Ark by Noah at God’s command. After the flood is over, God promises never again to destroy the whole earth by means of a flood, and sets the rainbow in the sky as a sign of the relationship associated with this promise, which is called a “covenant.” Now the interesting thing is this: the covenant that God makes is not just with Noah or with humans. Listen to the Biblical language: “I am establishing my covenant with you and your descendants after you, and with every living creature that is with you, the birds, the domestic animals, and every animal of the earth that is with you, as many as came out of the ark…When I bring clouds over the earth and the bow is seen in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth (Gen. 9:9-10, 16-17, NRSV).”
No dear Laura – it is you who is clueless! And if the Presbyterians have to read their Bibles then YOU have to read the posts on this site and not jump to conclusions. The signs are bogus – but you have so neatly bought into their “message” that you are committing a grave injustice by perpetuating the fallacy.
So – if you want to play theology professor and quote the Bible – wonderful. If you want to debate the question – great. And if you want to criticize a denomination that had nothing to do with the whole thing to begin with – then I would suggest you go back and read your Bible on issues around falsehoods and spreading rumours and – and – and – and – - – but make sure you take the plank out of your eye before you do – that way you might at least know what you’re reading – and prayerfully then talking about as well – not like in this case. P.S. You might also ask yourself what it is you have against Presbyterians – and why it is you need to believe all of this “sign generator’s drivel” anyway.
I hope that all the posters on this forum are required to take a test before they are allowed to vote. Oops, no more GOP!
STUPID LAME RELIGIOUS CRAP!
CHECK OUT THE PHOTOS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SIGN. SAME EXACT CARS ARE IN ALL THE PHOTOS.
SOMEONE USED PHOTOSHOP TO CHANGE THE SIGN DISPLAY.
SAME FOR THE PRES CHURCH PHOTO (SAME PHOTO, NEW SIGNAGE)
TYPICAL RELIGIOUS BS!
IF THERE WAS A GOD AND HE IS SO SMART, THEN WHY WOULD HE HAVE CREATED HUMANS, EARTH’S DISEASE?
Gosh Joedave – for a moment I thought you had a brain between the two of you – then I read again!
IF the signs are a product of a sign generator – photoshop or whatever – why not hold the “creators” responsible rather than slinging mud at the unsuspecting parties whose names have been used.
And as for the rest of it – I wonder what YOUR IQ is??? If push came to shove – probably couldn’t pass a p*** test let alone one that would allow you to vote. Oops, no more ??????
This is too funny, first the fake signs and then the comments here. Of course dogs go to heaven, it’s us two legged narcissists that are questionable. Who are we to say who/what can or can’t go to heaven? A dog’s humility will go a long way to getting along with Peter. We need to be more inclusionary here. Saint Francis of Assisi came a little after Luke and John so it’s understandable that they didn’t get it right and remember to include dogs — they were more concerned with whether lions and tigers and gladiators went to heaven
I hope dogs do go to heaven, they are much better company.
Okay. THis is too funny. Just last night i was reading the great commission part about “preaching the Gospel to all creatures” to my kids and said “hey, I wonder if we are supposed to tell dogs and other animals too”. I really being serious, but obviously someone took a lot of time in Photoshop so they must think that it’s a serious thing to sort out :^).
THanks for the laffs.
These signs were generated by:
http://www.says-it.com/churchsigns/sign01.php
and
http://www.says-it.com/churchsigns/sign11.php
Funny how the leaves on the trees never move and the cars in the background don’t move either. Somebody is having fun with photoshop.
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I’m not taking this sign thing seriously, but wanted to point out a cultural error that is often made. Someone referenced that Noah took two of each animal onto the ark – actually, he took seven pair of each clean animal onto the ark, not two. He took two of each unclean animal (pigs, etc. see Jewish laws for details).
We can go back and forth for years, trying to cut and paste scripture to our own devices, but it may not be possible to get an answer on this one until you are actually in heaven. No need for this much heat. It may be better to put this much energy into something that can benefit mankind, like, say, sharing the Gospel.
Just a thought.
This is just so damn hilarious…… I just can't even believe that anyone posting here is actually debating the point.
hahahhahahahahhahahahaha
in fact…
hahahhahahahahahahahahhahahaa
OMG
The posts are still WAY more hilarious than the joke.
I'll say it again.
hahahahahahhahahahaha
Whether this is true or not, it's funny as hell!
This whole thing has been made up. Thanks for falling for a very clever joke.
This seems bogus. Look at the cars in the background of the Catholic sign. They never move. I think this is a clever hoax but a hoax nonetheless.
oh, shut up!! It was funny, real or not, and it made people laugh and smile. We need a little more of that in today's world. Lighten up. I personally believe that animals, being God's creatures, after all, have souls.
what heaven??
this was a prank, http://www.cpmag.org/cpupdates.php?aid=629
These signs were generated from a website that sells church signs, and allows people to create messages on a church sign to see how they look.
The Creator must have been laughing WITH the creator of those generated signs and AT the creativity of his creatures , which is the correct term for those created, not "creations!."
Of course most dogs go to heaven! Dog heaven! And only dog-loving humans are admitted to dog heaven! And really bad, vicious dogs go to dog hell!
jenny… u r hott. will u marry me and have my babies?
I'm converting to Catholocism ! A heaven without dogs is unexceptable!! LOL
Ryan,
Get a sense of humor, life's much easier that way.
Ken
thought this was a great debate… I truly believe that dogs have souls… all dogs… the person who wrote that pit bulls should go to hell is a MORON!! All dogs are innately good… only bad owners!!
I have a little jump on you Beulah Cumberland Presbyterian Church in Kentucky. My ancestor was Patrick Ruthven. He attended the Caholic Church in Perth Scotland in the mid 1500s'. The church he attended was called "The Congregation of the Lord's." His priest was exiled to Europe by Mary Queen of Scotts. He later returned to Perth. His name was John Knox. I guess you could say my ancestor went to THE FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH.
I have no idea where your minister went to seminary. "Dogs do not have a soul." Did you read your bible carefully. Dogs do have life, Jesus said, "I am the Truth, The Way and Life." He also spoke about bringing life more abundantly. You may want to do some Exegesisof the New Testament Exegesis is extensive and critical interpretation of authoritative text. or use some form criticism before you take the stand for the Presbyterian Church. I had not seen that you alone were chosen to speak for God or the Cumberland Presbyterian Church.
Certainly, every person has their own truth. The examination or our truth is easily done. Ask yourself if your ideas are Feelings, Facts or Opinions. You will discover religious ideas are mostly opinions. Feelings are ideas that quickly change from one concept to another. Small children do this without stopping. Facts, Straight facts are simply data which we process in our cognitive processes. Then we apply them as needed. Opinions are ideas we create out or our past experiences and we often discover don't really fit the situation. When we become Opinionated we stop hearing what others are saying and hold our ground come hell or high water. When we do this we find the battle begins and our Kingdom soon crumbles. People have chosen not to have Kings or Queens any longer.
You might want to stop and reconsider the positioin you have placed yourself and the members of Beulah with you. To be sure. There are no doubt others who desire to be the King of your congregation. Usiing their great intellect they may wish to read the Greek New Testament and learn a little more than you have been preaching or teaching the Gospel.
John 14-6 ??and John 10-10
Judge not. You might find our you are the dog chasing your own tail. Opinionated people do that.
Just a little more scripture. Pick your own. You can make it work anyway you watt it to go. To protect yourself you may not want to use Exegesis in the presence of your congregation,
Peace yourself together and may God bliss you.
Dear Joe – I guess it was more important for you to be able to tell us about your ancestory than for you to REALLY take note that this is all fake. But I’m sure the folks at Beulah Cumpberland are VERY impressed with your credentials! However, now that you’ve had an opportunity to showcase your talents perhaps you might take some time to research the background of all this as carefully as you’ve researched your roots – snopes is a good place to start – oh and the Bible too – about pride – sounds like you’re rather full of yourself – and casting stones – ’cause that’s what you’ve done to the ministry at Beulah.
Take a page from your own book fella – you want facts – just the facts? The fact is – THIS IS A HOAX – and you fell for it!!! Could it be you are JUST A LITTLE OPINIONATED – don’t want to hear the truth – all the better to show off your deep exegetical skills?? That you’ve stopped hearing / reading what others are sharing??? Better be careful – I think your kingdom might be crumbling!!! You might want to stop and reconsider the postion you’ve put yourself and your family in. What would Patrick Ruthven think of your ill-founded – factless tirade??? I think if truth be known you are riding on the poor man’s coattails. Find your own ride!!! But while you’re at it – P(i)e(a)ce yourself together and may God bless you with bliss.
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thats ignorant. Im glad churches have marquee signs. we need more church marquee signs and less garbage.
Look at the pix. Nothing changes in them except for the words. Cars are parked the same. Spanish moss hangs the same. Grass sticks up the same. Obviously fake.
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